If you want to study Occultism, you better be ready to read a LOT of material and parse through that. Last edited by SpiralOut34; at PM.. Thanks SpiralOut34 for the only thoughtful response here. Even though I disagree. Also, thanks to dancingflame for that link which I'd already seen but I think more people should see it. You guys are why I came back to post, not because of these brain dead fanboys whom I could really care less about because they're too far gone to converse with anyways.
I'm just going to quote ShiningOne Another poster who brought up the same issues in another thread which I recommend people check out. His thread is titled, "Tool and the Occult" "Aleister Crowley was, and I didn't know the guy--do your own research--seemingly a dirtbag of a man. He was racist, chauvinist, a drug addict and sexual deviant. I've read that his last words were something along the lines of 'I'm an unhappy man. Which it is likely that fanboys of lower intelligence would never actually do the research.
It's ok. Keep worshiping Tool. Go back to sleep and everything will be OK. It seems every time I check the Tool newsletter there's something about collecting Crowley crap.
Pretty sad. If I had the chance to interview Tool or Maynard, I'd ask him Why just single out Jesus? If you disagree with his teachings, why do you think that gives you reason to curse him? But you're never going to get answers to those questions because the only people they let interview them are brain dead fans as well. But, oh I forgot, he did sing on this number "Muhummad, my friend" with the satanic Tori Amos. Don't even try to defend Tori Amos unless you're a satanist yourself because in case you didn't know she has a song called, "Father Lucifer" and you can read many quotes about her love for satan.
Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? Anyways, in my opinion they're being really stupid because they're actually alienating a big portion of their fan base who actually use their brains.
I mean we kind of overlooked a few things out of the love that we have for their music and we just don't listen to the songs that blatantly put down the lord like, "Opiate", "Sober", and "Eulogy" because of freedom of speech and maybe we assume that Maynard has matured out of his hatred towards the lord.
But, that can't be it because they still are playing Opiate live. I guess you're just going to curse the lord until you're dead, huh? Little angry Maynard. You just can't help yourself, can ya? Also, maybe because then we were more of lukewarm Christians and now we're real Christians.
And honestly with corruption coming at you from all angles and the future looking very grim Yes, the New World Order is real maybe it's time for us to be spiritually prepared and come to know your lord and savior Jesus Christ. But, either way, supporting this Aleister Crowley guy should be enough to alienate an even bigger portion of their fans who actually use their brains whether they're Christians or not.
It's already been established long ago that Crowley was a nasty guy so there's not much to argue about there. And I've been to 8 Tool concerts so I can very easily tell intelligent Tool fans from brain dead Tool fans so don't even bother replying if you're not a thoughtful person because you will not get a reply from me. All these fanboys can do is quote my posts without saying anything for themselves. I thought your masters taught you to "think for yourself. They also teach that over thinking and over analysing separates the body from the mind and withers intuition.
J A G , AM. People who use their brains still believe in Jesus Christ? Last edited by dancingflame; at PM.. AllFromOne , PM. I feel the occult is a thing of true beauty to those that can see, an extravagance to those who cannot. However, I also feel that, since AC thrust himself into the limelight concerning his occult knowledge that he simply did not get it.
It is said that he died saying "I am perplexed" and mired in the illusory world as he was, I am not surprised. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Come down. Get off your fucking cross. We need the fuckin space. To nail the next fool martyr. Crowley offers one of the best formulas for attaining a plethora of altered states. Without any hint of the profane, the illegal or even the "ungodly". Is this not the reason why we gather here, to fill the empty unknowing void with the omniferous, eternal glow of our love.
Beacons of experience on the outskirts of reality. Guides calling out to the blinded husks of oblivion who tread still stupified by their vivisection from the amniotic realms. If you wish to know read for yourself. Anyone can make a youtube video. Crowley was censored and condemned in much the same way Tool were. The great work continues, the sacrifice begins. Love is the law, love under will. Last edited by apocalope; at AM..
Reason: mispelt. Originally Posted by J A G. We should all just stop worrying about each other's beliefs and enjoy the music. Well, it is a thread about beliefs so it is something worth talking about. I would also add that if you are truly interested in the occult references in the lyrics etc. Then you will see that the true teachings are not hidden under grotesque symbols such as child sacrifice.
AllFromOne , AM. Well of course that is his and his disciples take on his own teachings. Think about it from the point of view that thoughts alter reality. It is images of beauty that raise the consciousness, not those that, at least on the surface, depict inherently evil acts. No matter the intent, it is a disservice to mankind to veil the sacred under the obscene. This especially applies for those who are not well versed in the use of symbolism.
Hearing "child sacrifice" from "the wickedest man in the world" isn't likely to benefit the collective more than harm it. Hey guys I have this honest question it's totally just curiosity, but please don't give me any answers except the ones I want you to. Derelict78 , PM. Aleister Crowley was a complex man. Taking a few thing he said out of context will not give a clear picture of his teachings.
The children he spoke of sacrificing was sperm, he was talking about masterbation. No one knows what is last words were, he was in his room alone when he died. Crowley suffered from acute asthma brought on by years of mountain climbing he was at the forefront of mountaineering in his time and heroin was often prescribed by doctors for asthma at the time.
From the information available on the band members' beliefs especially Maynard and Carey , it doesn't seem like they spend hardly any time directly advocating the teachings of the occult, although their interest in the occult is obvious. It seems that their view on religion is colored much more by their personal experiences with religion i.
Maynard especially in Perfect Circle's "Judith" , and less by Crowley's actual teachings. Think what you will; Tool are one of the two or three bands i consider to be so amazing that they create art of nearly unexplainable proportions. They are very many things to very many people.
I feel this is crucial to understanding their monumental appeal. Now, that said, we all make choices, spiritually. Music is immensely spiritual. Regarding D. I can attest to D. While being very cool and kind of eerie, at the same time, 10 years ago a close friend purchased half of an old building in Waldo a sort of bar scene meets old lower-middle class area Kansas City, MO. Bob C. So, about 10 of us had to gut this very old building and then turn it into a top-notch studio.
Wes the owner and engineer of the studio we were building had no clue about the relation to D. I mean, as musicians, you would obviously be stoked knowing this old building you purchased because of it's location to your home and a sprawling, but classy bar area, had house D. One day my best friend and I went to start sucking spider webs and map out what to do with the attic.
So, there are boxes filled with books about Freemasonry and the Occult and other strange spiritual things,,and other stuff that had nothing to do with any of that. But it was this really interesting connection to the fact that D. Torrent: Pretty Russian teen Olya - video 2. Torrent: Waterbondage. Administrator serwisu BitNova.
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